diff --git a/src/Module/Conversation/Network.php b/src/Module/Conversation/Network.php
index 63da5717ad..1d6dc86c35 100644
--- a/src/Module/Conversation/Network.php
+++ b/src/Module/Conversation/Network.php
@@ -348,9 +348,9 @@ class Network extends Timeline
 			$this->order = 'commented';
 		}
 
-		// Upon force (updates in the background) and order by last comment we order by receive date,
+		// Upon updates in the background and order by last comment we order by receive date,
 		// since otherwise the feed will optically jump, when some already visible thread has been updated.
-		if ($this->force && ($this->selectedTab == TimelineEntity::COMMENTED) && !empty($request['first_commented'])) {
+		if ($this->update && ($this->selectedTab == TimelineEntity::COMMENTED)) {
 			$this->order = 'received';
 		}
 
diff --git a/src/Module/Conversation/Timeline.php b/src/Module/Conversation/Timeline.php
index ac67be9574..d685013ba4 100644
--- a/src/Module/Conversation/Timeline.php
+++ b/src/Module/Conversation/Timeline.php
@@ -64,6 +64,8 @@ class Timeline extends BaseModule
 	protected $noSharer;
 	/** @var bool */
 	protected $force;
+	/** @var bool */
+	protected $update;
 
 	/** @var App\Mode $mode */
 	protected $mode;
@@ -131,7 +133,8 @@ class Timeline extends BaseModule
 		$this->maxId = $request['max_id'] ?? null;
 
 		$this->noSharer = !empty($request['no_sharer']);
-		$this->force    = !empty($request['force']);
+		$this->force    = !empty($request['force']) && !empty($request['item']);
+		$this->update   = !empty($request['force']) && !empty($request['first_received']) && !empty($request['first_created']) && !empty($request['first_uriid']) && !empty($request['first_commented']);
 	}
 
 	protected function getNoSharerWidget(string $base): string
diff --git a/src/Module/Update/Channel.php b/src/Module/Update/Channel.php
index 223666739b..ac35d9c26b 100644
--- a/src/Module/Update/Channel.php
+++ b/src/Module/Update/Channel.php
@@ -37,7 +37,7 @@ class Channel extends ChannelModule
 		$this->parseRequest($request);
 
 		$o = '';
-		if ($this->force) {
+		if ($this->update || $this->force) {
 			if ($this->timeline->isChannel($this->selectedTab)) {
 				$items = $this->getChannelItems();
 			} else {
diff --git a/src/Module/Update/Community.php b/src/Module/Update/Community.php
index 31f75d24e2..05ea8f828c 100644
--- a/src/Module/Update/Community.php
+++ b/src/Module/Update/Community.php
@@ -39,7 +39,7 @@ class Community extends CommunityModule
 		$this->parseRequest($request);
 
 		$o = '';
-		if ($this->force) {
+		if ($this->update || $this->force) {
 			$o = DI::conversation()->render($this->getCommunityItems(), Conversation::MODE_COMMUNITY, true, false, 'commented', DI::userSession()->getLocalUserId());
 		}
 
diff --git a/src/Module/Update/Network.php b/src/Module/Update/Network.php
index 5f7f234e04..e8a2dce07d 100644
--- a/src/Module/Update/Network.php
+++ b/src/Module/Update/Network.php
@@ -37,7 +37,7 @@ class Network extends NetworkModule
 
 		$o = '';
 
-		if (!$this->force) {
+		if (!$this->update && !$this->force) {
 			System::htmlUpdateExit($o);
 		}